Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, J-Rods, Tall Grays, Short Grays and Nordics; The Other Side of the Fermi Paradox?

Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, UAFs, UFOs, USOs and other alphabet soup acronyms when been in our language lexicon for almost a century. Of course these didn’t become popular until after WWII, especially after Roswell, the birth place of the modern UFO movement that almost equals Bethlahem in relation to Christianity.

Many stories, fables, conspiracy theories, lies, disinformation and disclosures have been spewed forth for over sixty years by various individuals. Most of these have proved to be outright frauds and charlatans. Some have the appearance of credibility, but after further examination, their stories fall apart. But most of these have a few memes in common:

  1. There is a massive underground system composed of bases and compounds. These facilities contain labs, work shops for reverse engineering and secure “rooms” for the “Extraterrestrial Biological Entities” or EBEs for short.
  2. In relation to number one, these bases were constructed toward the end of the Truman Administration under the auspices of the “Majestic Twelve” document supposedly signed by “The Buck stops Here” guy himself.
  3. As the Eisenhower Administration took power, the remains and the one survivor of the Roswell crash along with saucer remains was taken to these facilities. Using the lone survivor, communication was established with it’s “government”.
  4. A meeting between Eisenhower and “three ET races” at a desert sight in the South western U.S. took place in 1954. Here things get fuzzy. The number of the ET races number from three to seven. Sometimes a “reptilian” race gets included. I noticed there seems to be a consistent theme here; the races are all humanoid and at least three types of humanoid are always mentioned:
  5. Tall “Nordic” types with large eyes. I’m assuming by Nordic they mean some derivative of Caucasian people.
  6. Tall “Grays”. The classic kidnappers.
  7. Short “grays”. Thought to be the kidnapper’s assistants.

A treaty signed between these “aliens” and Eisenhower was called the ‘T-9’, or TAU-9. The nine being items that the entities could or could not do. One of which of course was the number of people allowed to be kidnapped for biological sampling.

So what were we, or rather the nascent military-industrial-congressional-complex to get in return? Advanced military, or technology that could be adapted for military use of course. According to some people, our superior stealth and bullet-proofing technology can be attributed to retro-engineering “alien” technology.

So where is all of this information coming from? Surely if the U.S. government, and other world governments have been in contact with “EBEs”, there must be some kind of paper trail. Plus there’s been the bevy of sightings and abductions over the years.

Doesn’t this fly in the face of the Fermi Paradox that “where is everybody” if we’re already in contact with “aliens”?

Mainstream scientific community experts and skeptics scoff at all of the “evidence” that is given to prove that aliens are already here and dealing with us. And they are right to do so in my view. Given the common denominators between all of the “eyewitness” testimonies and the heavily redacted Freedom of Information Act paperwork that’s been released, one can only conclude that the evidence is circumstantial at best, disinformation at worse. And it’s a known fact that the CIA loved to spread disinformation concerning “black” projects at Groom Lake, aka Area 51.

I forgot to mention about Project Looking Glass and Star Gate technology. These stand out from the standard antigravity and Tesla technologies because they aren’t mentioned quite as much, but are integral to the “alien” story.

Here are some of the players and other items of special notice:

  1. Dr. Dan Burisch/Crain. Very possibly a disinformation agent. Supposedly abducted at age nine in front of his grandfather and turned into a genius by a mental transferance from a dying boy. Makes very extravagent claims of personally knowing a short gray, or “J-Rod” as the creature is named. Sources say his credibility is crap.
  2. Dr. Steven Greer. Founded the Disclosure Project in 1993. Also claims to be a “contactee”.  Among his other claims is that SETI has actually confirmed “many” radio signals from other civilizations, but is now being jammed by the NSA, NRO or other government agencies colluding in a cover-up. Another person suffering in the credibility area.
  3. Dr. Michael Salla.  Founder of Exopolitics and the Exopolitics Institute. Probably for the obvious reasons, credibility challenged also.
  4. Bob Lazar.  Probably best known of the above. Worked at Area 51 and spilled the beans about reto-engineering UFO tech. Any guesses about his credibility?

There are more of course, but these guys I studied more. All of the commonalities are linked to them in some way and all could be NSA disinformation agents. Or they could be giving their own interpretation of what they saw supposedly.

Personally, I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth. Not until Klaatu lands on the White House lawn and gives his ultimatum or the technological singularity/rapture happens.

And I doubt either are likely to happen.

Also see:

Project Camelot, Jacques Vallee (more on him later), Stargate Links, Disclosure Project, MJ-12                           

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21 responses

  1. Fellow blogger of the esoteric, Mac Tonnies’ take on Disclosure is here:

    http://posthumanblues.blogspot.com/2007/10/film-maker-and-friend-paul-kimball.html

    I’ve been following him, his friend Paul Kimball and Nick Redfern lately when it comes to UFO studies. Sometimes my friend Dustin of Oddthings has a novel take on the issue.

    No firm answers yet. But I’m still looking.

  2. I have been researching these advocates and their theories and I must confess that I am still uncertain. It is difficult to distil fragments of truth from disinformation. Dr Michael Salla has based a lot of his beliefs on the elusive 12th Planet and the very questionable “translations and interpretations” of Zecharia Stitchin who may have been driven by a creative or commercial agenda rather than empirism or truth.
    What about Gary Vey aka Dan Eden and his story?
    I believe that a lot of information is kept from the public by the governments but can we accept these unsubstantiated claims by Dr Salla and others as being truthful? I do not believe but neither am I a disbeliever…the truth is out there somewhere maybe in little pieces scattered around the world.

  3. Although my first exposure to the UFO experience was when I was eight years old, it was nothing like other people had. At thirteen I read the Von Daniken books and I was hooked. Since then I’ve learned much, and found the job a tough row to hoe at times. Sitchen is along the lines of Von Daniken, only he concentrated on ancient Sumerian cultures. In fact I’ve done stuff on him here: https://dad2059.wordpress.com/?s=sitchen&searchbutton=go%21

    Yes, his translations are questionable and although interplanetary collisions are established fact, I find his claims about Nibiru, Tiamat and Earth just as questionable. His timelines are in thousands of years. If what he claims are true concerning interplanetary collisions, it takes thousands of millions, if not a billion years to accomplish!

    There is much horse manure to fork through, you’re right there. The answers always are somewhere in between!

  4. Hi dad2059 et. al. …

    Bob Lazar although quite glib with seemingly solid credentials loses credibility when he claims the alien drive system uses Element 115 also known as “ununpentium” on the periodic table. Only four “atoms” of this Element have been created in a lab with an alpha half life of 100 milliseconds and a total decay life of 1.2 seconds. Four atoms of anything isn’t going provide enough energy to do much of anything for any length of time especially these Trans-Uranic “synth-elements” unless we are talking of some type of anti-matter reaction. Uunpentium is in the bismuth family of heavy elements on the the periodic table. I’ve provided links so folks can get some understanding about this family of short-lived, exotic elements. Bismuth is used as a neutron moderator for controlling the path of neutrons in nuclear experiments and as a carrier element for U-238 and U-233 in nuclear control rods etc.

    Possibly this element if produced as a stable isotope of bismuth has some characteristics that does have a localized effect on the space-time continuum, but again this is all speculation since we haven’t achieved the production of this element in a great enough quantity to study it adequately.

    Next time you get a stomach ache and take Pepto-Bismol as bismuth subsalicylate you’ll see the effects of bismuth on your own “drive system” since it’s anti-diarrheal and hopefully will quench your out of control core allowing you to function properly in short order… :))

    Bob claims to have sterling credentials, but his name cannot be found on the alumni rolls at the referenced universities nor any tracks to having worked for any agency of the U.S. government in any capacity. I like the guys delivery and the mystique he can create about UFO drives etc., but like all “carnies” they know how to sucker less than discriminating minds when they prattle their pseudo-scientific screed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpentium
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability

    Link to a catalog of alien entities

    http://www.burlingtonnews.net/secretsufo.html

  5. I notice most of these “credentialed” people have missing degrees, records and what have you. Could the government schmucks have erased their records? Maybe. Could they be disinformation agents who don’t need them? Likely.

    And I have noticed the carnival aspect of spreading the message.

    Entertaining actually.

  6. And it’s a known fact that the CIA loved to spread disinformation concerning “black” projects at Groom Lake, aka Area 51.

    I don’t know what the Feds are doing at Groom Lake.

    But as I posted here before, when we traveled there (in conjunction with a trip to Vegas), I was amazed at the depth and extent the Feds have taken to keep the public out of the area.

    What I did see was:

    1. An airport of some type. Far away from Las Vegas to make it practical for Federal jobs in the city.
    2. Late night activity. Lights on aircraft — I think both commercial and military, as well as at least one helicopter.
    3. Signage. Lots of threatening signage warning people to “Keep Out.”
    4. A military presence. I’m from California and accustomed to Oakland Naval Air Station in the Bay Area and Camp Pendleton in far, northern San Diego County. Groom Lake was/is different. The posture was more like “shoot first, ask questions later.” Like they were protecting something.

    The really curious disinformation thing about Groom Lake is how a few years ago, the Feds breathlessly announced the facility had been closed and moved to either Utah or Colorado (I can’t recall which). Anyway, it turns out no such relocation has happened. Groom Lake is still up and operational and busier than ever.

    Like many, I think and I believe, the wreckage of the Roswell crash, as well as others, are located there. I think this facility may very well be where reverse engineering efforts take place.

    The technology arch is organic and there have been several achievements that exist outside and beyond that arch. Like the SR-71, the B2 and antigravity aircraft.

  7. The technology arch is organic and there have been several achievements that exist outside and beyond that arch. Like the SR-71, the B2 and antigravity aircraft.

    It is also believed that the “Phoenix Lights” and other triangular craft sightings are S-4 (Groom Lake) antigravity technology. Not “alien”, but U.S. Government retro-engineering.

    What about Burisch, Salla and the others Christopher? Would you consider them reliable sources, or government plants to spread bullshit?

  8. I’m not surprised…

  9. Hi dad2059 et. al. ….

    At this point in time, Groom Lake’s greatest secret is the huge amount of highly toxic hazardous waste that’s stored on prem and also being disposed of in an irresponsible manner. There’s been a long-standing lawsuit on behalf of people that have come down with cancer from working at the facility. Evidently it’s a disproportionate number compared to the general population.

    Clinton and Bush both have stepped in to give the Air Force an exemption from the suit, but I suspect that there are monumental violations of EPA laws and if it came out would show incredible irresponsibility on the part of the DOD in handling such waste.

    In the past the only research going on at the facility has been on cutting edge “Skunkworks” type of aircraft. Generally the development window is 10-15 years advanced against anything you currently see flying in our skies. The current program is to develop long range hypersonic scramjet types of craft (Aurora) allowing us to reach anywhere on earth in less than an hour in order to make a bombing run…say what?! Sounds to me like the mad, cigar chompin’ ghost of Curtis LeMay is alive an well at area 51.

    To me most of these programs are nothing but science based welfare, continually lining the pockets of the ever-voracious MIC who produces an endless stream of questionable mega-expensive “pulltoys” for our out of control military faciliated by our immature national leadership.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1998/Nov-03-Tue-1998/news/8525455.html

    The next two links are concerned with “Flying Triangles” which are not only doable, but seemingly in operation based on eye-witness reports. I also suspect that the Townsend Browne electrostatic effect has been integrated into these craft for the purpose of electrostatic lifting purposes. They probably use hybrid propulsion systems each having it’s purpose depending on altitude or as a function of tactical needs. The craft are called LTA’s; ie., lighter than air craft with electric propulsion systems. This is not alien tech, but simply a shadowlands program that has been perfected and has so for quite some time. I believe it was already “old” tech in the mid-80’s. Again what’s the purpose of these tax-draining boondoggles? Only our “strangelovian” leadership would know and could justify such ongoing nonsense?! To me if it isn’t used for the greater benefit of the public who pays the freight, then these programs are nothing but techno-elitism at it’s worst. Enjoy the links.

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/triangles.htm
    http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/illinois_trianglehypothesis.pdf

    Carl Nemo **==

  10. The short answer is, yes.

  11. Hi dad2059 et. al. ….

    At this point in time, Groom Lake’s greatest secret is the huge amount of highly toxic hazardous waste that’s stored on prem and also being disposed of in an irresponsible manner. There’s been a long-standing lawsuit on behalf of people that have come down with cancer from working at the facility. Evidently it’s a disproportionate number compared to the general population. Clinton and Bush both have stepped into give the Air Force an exemption from the suit, but I suspect that there are monumental violations of EPA laws and if it came out would show incredible irresponsibility on the part of the DOD in handling such waste. The only research going on at the facility has been on cutting edge “Skunkworks” type of aircraft. Generally the devleopment window is 10 years advanced against anything you currently see flying in our skies. The current program is to develop long range hypersonic scramjet types of craft allowing us to reach anywhere on earth in less than an hour in order to make a bombing run…duh?! Sounds to me like the mad ghost of Curtis LeMay is alive an well at area 51. To me most of these programs are nothing but welfare programs for science and to continually line the pockets of the ever-voracious MIC who produces an endless stream of questionable “pulltoys” for our out of control military.

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1998/Nov-03-Tue-1998/news/8525455.html

    The next two links are concerned with “Flying Triangles” which are not only doable, but based on eye-witness reports are currently in operation. I also suspect that the Townsend Browne effect has been integrated into these craft for the purpose of electrostatic lifting purposes. They probably use hybrid propulsion systems each having it’s purpose depending on altitude or tactical needs. The craft are called LTA’s; ie., lighter than air craft with electric propulsion systems. This is not alien tech, but simply a shadowlands program that has been perfected and has so for quite some time. Again what’s the purpose of these tax-draining boondoggles, only our “strangelovian” leadership would know and could justify such nonsense?! To me if it isn’t used for the greater benefit of the public who pays the freight, then these programs are nothing but technocratic elitism at it’s worst. Enjoy the links.

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/triangles.htm
    http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/illinois_trianglehypothesis.pdf

    Carl Nemo **==

    p.s. This was posted earlier, but then it went “poof”. dad2059, if you decide to delete one of our posts you might care to say post # x
    deleted for whatever reason or no reason, but that it was deleted by you the site owner. I’m assuming it was a glitch unless my referring to the “mad, cigar chompin’ ghost of Curtis Lemay” may have upset you or someone else … ; )

  12. Hi dad2059…

    There must have been a glitch because I both refreshed and even fetched your site twice and the material for post #9 was missing? I reposted and all of a sudden it reappeared…?! The space brothers or possibly the ghost of ol’ Curtis must be watching this site closely. Sorry for the double post good buddy!

    Carl Nemo **==

  13. No glitch Carl. My spam filter is set high because I’m under constant attack. I don’t know if it’s to crash the site or just to sell me porn. So I apologize for not getting your comments cleared in a timely manner.

    Good discussion people. I think we should all strive to find answers to this enigma and scrutinize all claims and evidence.

  14. I fogot to mention that Dr Salla weakened of his rather thin credibility in my eyes by referring to a channeller who was receiving information from Nibiru, the 12th Planet to substantiate his research. Now with “resources” like flaky New Age channellers, one is left to wonder about this scientist’s methodology if indeed he has any at all. The prospect of gov’t disinformation seems to be looking more probable.

  15. Channelers are reminiscent of the old spiritualists of the late 19th century who obviously were frauds and magicians.

    So agreed. Salla gets another check in the disinformation column.

  16. Their many scientist and schoalars who frabricate, bias, racism,greed, theories not firm rooted, I respect Zacharia Stitchen, David Childress, Ivan Satima, specially Richard Hoagland, and many important ones for working harder or working smarter trying to decypher God universe or secrets and trying a important role to heal planet earth. In the Bible reveation call them 24 elders or
    Scientist(Gods) and Holy Quran call them Exalting Chiefs,Exalting Assembly and others sacred books under different names, call the 12 major Scientist(Gods) these Gods are responsible making the Moon, 66trillion years ago that why the earth now 3/4 water
    responsible writing Bible and Holy Quran other sacred Books
    raising prophets or messagers guiding humanity to righteous
    These are Very powerful Superhuman Beings so very highly spiritual and Technology, includes masters of brandches of knoweledges, control nature,Theirs One who the (Most) Supremer,the Best knower knowledge,Wisdom, understanding Supernatural Powers Under name Jesus,Jahova, christ ,Messiah, Almighty etc hes (All in ALL) that what (Allah) realy means universal and their the one govern entire universe, longivety 1200-1500

  17. These Superhuman beings are Black scientist(Gods) and black is a
    universal color and essence which all colors come from” that dont means they are just one color of these superhuman beings, most people mistaken (white beings) for the grays,the are not gray are green even though they highly advance in gentics. Aunnakin responsible genetic making the giants on earth and mars call them demi(Gods) workers. In Hebrew text God name yakub and bible call him Jacob Scientist (God) Master Gentic Engineer born 20 or 22 miles from Mecca, creating human beings born 8,400 years ago try be amongs circle of among 12 predicted by other Scientists(Gods). Thats why Zachria book Enki fashioner humans beings.

  18. 50,000 years ago God name Shabazz BlackScientist(God) disagree with 12 scientist in Zacharia book call him Enki half brother Enlil
    Enki/ shabazz went abzu gold mining this is very true wanted to make a people so strong to endure jungle life and heat east asia now call africa founder pyramids, land Call (kemi) was a Gentic master also, thats how black people hair is course by heatand other one half long hair the (vedas) a that time adaption of earth . What i’m saying is white people is not source all the problems of the world, blacks had problem with in self ,it started of blasting of the Moon 66 trillion years ago or more ,a Black scientist(God) trying make entire people speak the same dialect couldnt force his will, now its a sign” now scientist today took sample of the moon they say smell like smoke fumes. In that time theirs was 13 God tribes or 13 Scientist(Gods) stead of 12 majors Scientist the wrote history to last 35,000 years , 13 zodiac egyptian constellation serpent holder (Ophesus ).

  19. “What i’m saying is white people is not source all the problems of the world, blacks had problem with in self ,it started of blasting of the Moon 66 trillion years ago” …?!

    Sorry Rosh, but the moon wasn’t even around 66 “trillion” years ago, much less our universe or even 500 plus serial universes equal to the estimated lifespan of our own to this point in time based on your aforementioned number. It always gets back to dat ol’ debil beast number 66…666…66×10 to the 12th power no?! /: |

    It’s time for your dose of thorazine good buddy!

    Carl Nemo **==

  20. The Highwayman | Reply

    Wow.

    Rosh… you don’t drive… do you?

    😯

  21. very interesting!
    you’ve got a good idea of the true despite what you think about it.

    in some way they’s no true, ants true ins not human true and human true ins not aliens true!
    as we considerate ants, as they considerate us. and tey’re rigth!
    we use to considerate us as the best of universe, forgotten that we are a peace of rock next to universe ass. they’re species we are so clever and have such powerful spcychic abilities that we’ll considerate us like gods. some of them are not physical entities and no need technology to communicate or travel in the galaxy. beautiful thing universe, show us how human are stupid beeing to think there’re alone!
    most part of human are busy looking their nose in a small boat lost in a ocean, major part of them are not aware about the acean, a litlle part ask them if the ocean exit or not a few who control this dumbs tuch it with the fingers.

    but the most interesting secret is about the true nature of human beeing.

    you’re talking about E.B.Es you should better think about more urgent problem . there’s no reason to discuss about theories if there at the end nobody to talk with! understand who can!

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