Of SETI, Stellar Engineering and The Galactic Internet

Many ways of communicating with and detecting ETI ( extra-terrestrial intelligence ) have been proposed for over fifty years. Mainly these consist of using radio telescopes, either a huge one as in Arecibo, or a vast array such as the Allen Array at the University of California at Berkley.

So far SETI ( Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence ) has come up with only one possible signal ( the WOW! signal in 1977 ) and many false ones. Very discouraging for everyone involved, especially the mainstreamers.

Which leads the mainstreamers ( mistakingly ) to assume that no ETI exists, or that they are too far away to detect our primitive smoke signals. This could be the case, but very unlikely in my view. Dr. Seth Shostak and his mainstreamers haven’t given themselves enough time to scan the skies if they really are convinced in the belief that ETIs are still using radio signals to communicate within our own little corner of the Galaxy. The chauvinistic belief that ETIs use radio just because we still do is narrow-mindedness writ large. Also it keeps astronomers, exobiologists and astrophysicists employed through shrinking university grants and increasing DoD funding ( DARPA anyone? ). In a way I can’t blame them for poo-pooing any other form of communication with ETI, or other related ( unrelated ? ) phenomena that doesn’t fit the present SETI paradigm ( serious scientific study of UFOs ).

This is about to change I believe. I have ranted in past posts that mainstream scientists wouldn’t recognize advanced ETI cultures in the Universe if one fell out of the sky on top of them because they wouldn’t resemble Star Trek or Star Wars objects ( Death Stars and dreadnaught Starships ), but in fact resemble objects in nature. The following excerpt from this paper by John G. Learned, R-P. Kudritzki, Sandip Pakvasa and A. Zee makes an interesting case for a ” Galactic Internet ” that uses variable stars:

[…] we propose that the well studied Cepheid variables might provide an easily and likely to be monitored transmitter, which would be seen by all societies undertaking serious astronomy.

Cepheid variable stars was first observed in 1595. They were first recognized as having the marvelous property of having a relationship between period and luminosity by Henrietta Swan Leavitt in 1908, permitting the establishment of a distance ladder on the galactic scale. The nearest stars could be ranged via parallax. Using the Cepheid scale one could move outwards up to stars in galaxies 20 megaparsec distant, and these stars have played a crucial role in the determination of the Hubble constant. Cepheids are generally bright stars with significant modulation and are easily observed. We expect that any civilization undertaking astronomy would soon discover them. Nor are there a daunting number of these, there being only of order 500 such stars presently tallied in our galaxy, and relatively few that are excellent standards.

The general picture for the Cepheids of Type I is that of a giant yellow star of population I with mass between five and ten times that of our sun, and 10^3 to 10^4 times the solar luminosity. A dozen or so of these stars are visible to the naked eye. The period of the brightness excursion ranges between 1 and 50 days, and is generally stable.

Finally, a real debate on whether advanced ETIs would communicate using stellar engineering to send long lived signals that could be easily translated if a culture as primitive as us took time to investigate the possibility.

Even if this proves to be unfeasable for some reason, perhaps it’ll rouse the dozing sheeple scientists out of their hypnosis ( and knowledge filter ) long enough to consider options other than radio.

Or maybe, just maybe, invest some serious scientific inquiry to the UFO phenomena.

I’m not too optimistic about that though!

The Cepheid Galactic Internet

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18 responses

  1. Hi,
    I agree with you wholeheartedly that science needs to open up its options in order to thoroughly research the almost certainty of extra-terrestrial life. Mainstream science needs to take more seriously the honest observations of sincere people who have seen UFOs too. Science has always been founded on observation, so why should so many credible witnesses be disrespected?
    Thanks for your refreshing blog.
    Best,
    Fahrusha

  2. Thanks for stopping by Fahrusha and pleasant journey to you.

    Unfortunately science is currently being used to spread dogma and as a slave to the Pentagon.

    Truth is the last thing the elitists want.

  3. Hi dad2059 et al. …

    Ah, still that all time hope of communicating with the “space brothers”…no?! :))

    Humans haven’t even mastered the ability to communicate with each other across a conference table when trying to establish peace initiatives in war zones, much less having hopes of communicating with beings from afar.

    No good would come of it anyway!

    The guys in the MIC with their associates in DARPA and other shadow agencies will be trying to get clues concerning alien tech that will give them ever more advanced “killtoys” to be used against our fellow beings.

    I’m hoping the proposed theory that radio communications dissipate within two light years of earth meaning that our earth-based “noise of civilization” will not pollute the universe.

    Hopefully we’ll have done ourselves soon or the next extinctor incoming will have erased this failed experiment in so-called sapient lifeforms, at least on this planet!

    Carl Nemo **==

  4. Ahh Nemo, as hopeful as ever I see! 😆

    What you say is true, but only as far as our so-called “leaders” are concerned.

    Most ordinary folk, at least the ones I know, look for what’s good in the world and Universe and hope for the best.

    But we have to stop putting psychopaths into positions of authority, that’s the shit that’s going to kill us all ! 👿

  5. Listening out for radio signals makes sense precisely because it’s the crudest form of interstellar communication. If an alien civilization wanted to alert its neighbours to its presence then it would probably make the signal as easy to intercept as possible, so that every level of technology could hear it. On the other hand, trying to eavesdrop on alien communications would be a hopeless task because we’re so far behind whatever methods they’re using.

    And those of you complaining that scientists aren’t taking ufology seriously should first bring some evidence to the table. Blurry photos and eyewitness ‘accounts’ don’t cut it in an age where everyone has a camera. Besides, it’s a contradiction to assume that alien technology is millions of years ahead of ours and then expect them to risk their lives by putting their fragile bodies in primitive physical capsules (ufos), when undetectable remote sensing would do the job.

  6. Listening out for radio signals makes sense precisely because it’s the crudest form of interstellar communication. If an alien civilization wanted to alert its neighbours to its presence then it would probably make the signal as easy to intercept as possible, so that every level of technology could hear it.

    Already mainstream critics have complained that SETI and it’s radio searches are taking too long, thus the specter of the Fermi Paradox is constantly squawked about.

    If the people who only believe that ETI can be found using radio signals better have the conviction of their words and dig in for the long haul, 50-60 years is no way long enough for a proper search.

    You people better start thinking of projects that go on for centuries instead of just a few decades if you truly believe this is the way to go.

    Otherwise start considering different ideas and stop being close-minded.

    Or give up altogether.

  7. “Otherwise start considering different ideas and stop being close-minded.”

    Like what? What should we do then? And why are we ‘close-minded’?

  8. Like what? What should we do then? And why are we ‘close-minded’?

    Well, for one thing, how about the premise of the Learned, Kudritzki, Pakvasa and Zee paper?

    Not once have you referred to it, which was really the focus of this post, not the UFO point, which was ancillary.

    You read “UFO” and automatically assumed “Oh Jesus, another UFO worshipping nutcase who needs to be flamed”.

    Wrong. My point is that mainstream SETI should consider possibilities like Bracewell probes, possible ancient ET archeology on Mars and other Solar System objects and of course, stellar engineering.

    UFOs could be part of it, I don’t know. I’ve only started to seriously study the phenomenon for two years, others have studied it for decades. Are J. Allen Hynek and Stanton Friedman wacko nutcases in your opinion?

    I’m not saying stop the radio signal detection, by all means keep doing it, you might get lucky and tap into an ancient backdoor legacy network maintained by an AI.

    But don’t just go the radio route, otherwise be prepared to do this for a thousand years or better, constantly beating back the wolves of the Fermi Paradox off your doorstep.

  9. Please don’t pretend to know what I assumed. Tell me how we conduct archaeology on Mars and elsewhere? How feasible is that, compared with SETI’s current projects? I hope you’re not referring to that Cydonia stuff.

    I doubt Hynek and Friedman were nut jobs, they’re more like shrewd manipulators who used their strong scientific credentials to manipulate a gullible audience into feeling ‘important’. Do you really think an advanced alien technology could make it all the way to Earth only to crash in the desert? Why would an alien risk its life flying a capsule when a machine could do the job far, far better than a squashy organic body? Do you think alien technology would be that primitive?

    You said that you’ve been studying ufos for two years, while others have studied it for decades. What, in your opinion, is the best single piece of evidence you’ve seen that suggests we are being visited by alien technology?

  10. By the way, the Fermi paradox doesn’t bother me. If aliens visit us every 100,000 years (very frequently in the big scheme of things) then we’d have no recollection of the previous visit. Perhaps ET just doesn’t want us to know he exists, in the same way that a zoologist will often try to observe a species in the wild without alerting the animals to his presence. Or perhaps they’re just not interested in us at all.

  11. Please don’t pretend to know what I assumed.

    Okay, how’s this? : “And those of you complaining that scientists aren’t taking ufology seriously should first bring some evidence to the table. Blurry photos and eyewitness ‘accounts’ don’t cut it in an age where everyone has a camera. Besides, it’s a contradiction to assume that alien technology is millions of years ahead of ours and then expect them to risk their lives by putting their fragile bodies in primitive physical capsules (ufos), when undetectable remote sensing would do the job.”

    How can I not assume such?

    Perhaps ET just doesn’t want us to know he exists, in the same way that a zoologist will often try to observe a species in the wild without alerting the animals to his presence.

    That’s quite a statement from a person who stated that Hynek and Friedman were/are, “shrewd manipulators who used their strong scientific credentials to manipulate a gullible audience into feeling ‘important’”.

    And you still haven’t addressed the premise of the paper I posted about, which leads me to believe you’re only interested in pursuing a strawman argument and being a goddamn troll.

  12. So why don’t you just tell me what evidence you have that aliens are currently visiting Earth in space ships, after decades of study? I already asked you for this – it’s surely not much to ask.

    How about telling me how we go about conducting interplanetary archaeology, which you suggested as an alternative to ‘close-minded’ SETI methods?

    It would seem your responses are as elusive as those ufos. Asking you to back up your arguments with evidence isn’t being a troll – it’s what scientists do all the time. All I want is a SINGLE piece of evidence that alien operated craft have ever visited our planet.

    And your response to my zoologist hypothesis makes no sense at all.Now come on, put this ‘narrow-minded’ skeptic in his place. We’re all waiting.

  13. So why don’t you just tell me what evidence you have that aliens are currently visiting Earth in space ships, after decades of study? I already asked you for this – it’s surely not much to ask.

    I never once said I’ve studied the subject for decades, I said others have. Also I never claimed UFOs are alien ships, I just suggested the phenomenon should be studied seriously along with SETI studies.

    There’s no proof of alien life in the Universe, period. So according to your reasoning, if there’s no empirical evidence, why have SETI? There’s more circumstantial evidence for UFOs than for radio contact, so what’s your argument?

    The above paper could be the empirical evidence needed for proof of advanced alien culture, why haven’t you mentioned that, still?

    And for someone who’s making a strawman argument about UFOs, why mention the zoo hypothesis? If you don’t believe one, you shouldn’t believe the other, right?

    As for possible Lunar/Mars archeology, Google Mac Tonnies, he wrote a comprehensive book on the subject. Also Google the Brookings Report if you’re serious about finding answers.

    As for putting you in your place, it’s not my intention to do that with anyone, I’m here to espouse my own theories and the papers to back them up. You’re the one who picked a fight.

    It sounds like you already had your mind made up before you got here, so anything I write isn’t going to change your mind anyway, so why are you here?

  14. I already noted that you’ve studied ufos for two years – I was clearly referring to the research of others.

    You’re dead right that there’s no evidence elsewhere for life off this planet – that’s the whole point of SETI – to maybe find some answers. SETI is very careful not to ‘see’ fictional alien messages in static. And what above paper are you taking about? Tell you what, just point me to the empirical evidence in it. And spare me any ‘circumstantial’ evidence. The ‘circumstantial’ evidence for the existence of fairies goes back for thousands of years – do you think they exist too?

    Asking you for evidence for about ufos reminds me of a conversation I had with a creationist at university. At first he was very confident and looked at me like I was ‘unenlightened’ about the ‘truth’. I asked him for some evidence to back up his claims that the Earth was only 6000 years old. He became very defensive and tried to refer me to some obscure texts written by someone else. In other words, he couldn’t provide me with a single shred of evidence – only point me to more obscure rubbish from some other fraud.

    That’s what you keep doing – referring me to other people instead of showing me some evidence yourself. You see, I’m not scared of proper debate – but it clearly scares the hell out of you.

    Your zoologist comment still makes no sense – I was throwing a guess out there – I wasn’t saying it was true.

    You’ve studied ufos for two years. I studied science for a bit longer than that. Do you think I’d have studied as far as two years if I hadn’t been offered any proof that what they were saying was true?

    Now, one more time for the slow kids at the back, where the hell is the single best piece of evidence you know of that makes you think we’re being visited by aliens?

    By the way, a person who demands evidence is the exact opposite of someone who’s made their mind up without evidence.

  15. Well, for one thing, my main topic wasn’t about UFOs, it was about a possible Galactic Internet and studies about the Cepheid Stars, a scientific paper, the above post is about that, not UFOS, which I mentioned in passing.

    Afraid of debate? You mean I haven’t been doing that? Hmmm, why are you wasting your time here then, if I’m “avoiding” a real debate?

    As for UFO evidence, no, I don’t have actual evidence in my possession, I could only refer you to articles, but you don’t want that.

    Besides, I never claimed to. And it wasn’t the claim of the post anyway. I was stating it should require serious study, along with other projects.

    And why shouldn’t it, it would put to rest any argument whether the phenomenon belonged to the “fairies” and make-believe superstition department or not?

    Can you prove there aren’t UFOs? The burden of proof doesn’t hang around my neck, I never claimed it was real in the first place, again “for the slow kids in the back”, I just said in should be studied further.

    And don’t be condescending or insulting, I’ll simply delete your comment, and you can take your strawman arguments elsewhere.

  16. […] I had an encounter with an interesting commenter for a couple of days about a post I did about The Galactic Internet and the Cepheid stars. I mentioned SETI and a passing reference to attention should paid to the UFO phenomenon more […]

  17. Radio offers the speed of light with the ability to easily transmit information. It is our best means of communication and it’s likely that it is at least a means of communication for any exolife.

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