Mac Tonnies’ Anti-Fan

When Mac Tonnies’ final tome ‘The Cryptoterrestrials’ was released for publication last month, it was received with critical acclaim, mostly good.

Mainly the good receptions were from whom I consider Tonnies ‘posse’ when he was alive, but hey, loyal friends are needed in life and death, right?

Now it seems that there is some opposition to Mac’s cryptoterrestrial theory and no it’s not from Mac’s friends, it comes from a person who pushes the extraterrestrial ‘nuts and bolts’ theory of UFOs and that the US recovered an ET craft at Roswell, New Mexico many years ago in 1947:

In recent months a myth about the “true” origin of aliens has made a troubling re-emergence. Several authors and bloggers seem to once again be touting the possibility that the interior of the Earth is the main center of operations- if not the ultimate origin- of the various alien groups present on our planet. New books such as “The Cryptoterrestrials” with the bizarre subtitle, “A Meditation on Indigenous Humanoids and the Aliens Among Us” by the late Mac Tonnies put this notion forward again. Tonnies’ delusional book is now being vigorously promoted by notable commentators such as Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball and Gene Steinberg. But the truth is that such utter nonsense finds its impetus in writings by the certifiably insane, in occult antecedents that speak of “master races” and in religious fable.

In Tonnies’ just produced book (published by Anomalist Books) Mac attempts to make the case that we should be looking down, not up, for the origin of aliens. Mac maintains that there may well be “indigenous humanoids” that are a race of people who quietly live deep below the Earth in hidden caverns, caves and tunnels. Such “cryptos” may be the pilots of advanced technology. These people believe that we should seriously consider that UFOs come not from beyond Earth, but from under the Earth’s surface. This supposed terrestrial race accounts for things that we previously thought as extraterrestrial. This secret and ancient race, says Tonnies, is a possible reason for flying saucer and alien sightings by people who live on the Earth’s surface. Such speculation should have been put to rest decades ago and has no place whatsoever in trying to discern from whence the alien comes.



Richard Shaver was a crane operator and welder for an auto-body shop in Detroit. Shaver had the idea that there was a race dwelling beneath our feet. He believed that this “underworld” was inhabitated by beings he called “Deros” which stood for “detrimental robots.” They were in constant conflict with another inner-earth race he called “Teros” which were constructive or “integrative” robots. Shaver attracted thousands of fans to this concept in the late 1940s when he began to submit manuscripts to Ray Palmer, the managing editor of the pulp magazine “Amazing Stories.” Though most of what was written in Amazing Stories was acknowledged as fiction fantasy, Shaver insisted that his story was fact. When a series of Shaver stories (collectively called “the Shaver Mystery“) were published in the magazine, the circulation hugely increased. Palmer never disagreed with Shaver – and Palmer enjoyed the boost in sales from these subterranean stories.

What is little known about the Shaver Mystery is that a diligent researcher named Michael Barkun found out the sad, sick truth about Shaver a long time ago. Barkun discovered that Shaver was hospitalized for psychiatric illnesses in the 1930s. Diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, he had spent much of his life as a hobo vagrant. Once settled, Shaver carved out a menial life doing welding jobs here and there. Shaver suffered delusions that one of his welding guns “by some freak of its coil’s field attunements,” was allowing him to hear the thoughts of tortured entities deep within the Earth. He began to discern a proto-language spoken by these cryptoterrestrials that spoke of marvelous technologies of aviation and weaponery. The “people beneath us” were a highly advanced pre-historic race that liked to come above to the surface and torture humans. Incredibly, even well after the publication of Shaver’s stories in Palmer’s magazine -and even after Amazing Stories went defunct- “Shaver Clubs” sprung up around the country to discuss the “mystery” even well into the 1950s. During the 1960s and 1970s, Shaver began to sell “rock books” through the mails by advertising in the classifieds sections found in the backs of occult magazines like Fate. He claimed that within certain rocks he found images of the Deros and Teros entites. These “rock paintings” were slices of polished agate that had grotesque images emblazoned on them by what Shaver called “special laser-like devices.” With a little imagination, even this author (who as a child, had purchased such rock paintings) could discern the strange cryptoterrestrial images. Today, as an adult, this author is ashamed at considering such nonsense. The authors who tout Mac Tonnies’ “theory” about such subterraneans should be similarly ashamed.



Victorian novelist and occultist Edward Bulwer-Lytton wrote such volumes as “The Coming Race.” Published in 1871, the book describes a vast subterranean world in which dwelled a vast subterranean world inhabited by a technologically superior “master race.” Like Shaver’s Dero, with their ray guns, Bulwer-Lytton described powerful “ray machines” that emanated an energy called “Vril.” Soon other books such as “The Lost World of Agharti” by Alec MacClellan appeared, repeating similar themes.

Other authors have proposed the idea of “ascended masters” of esoteric wisdom that inhabit subterranean caverns. Antartica, Tibet, Peru, the North Pole and Mount Shasta have at various times all had their advocates as locations of entrance to an underworld realm of sentients.

Wow, Bragalia has a problem with Tonnies’ theory, equating it with spiritualism of all things!

This is good in a way though, I think Mac’s book has largely had a huge pass since its release, accepted as fact without much scrutiny at all. Bragalia’s post against the theory seems to me as the proper thing to do.

But I don’t like his choice of words for the title of the post. I don’t think Mac was trying to perpetuate a ‘lie.’

Just a theory.

Like the ‘nuts and bolts’ “theory” of UFOs.

Read the comments section after you read the entire post, very entertaining!

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9 responses

  1. The idea of cryptoterrestrial is quite good. I find myself to be fan of mac tonnies.

    1. Mac’s theory certainly wasn’t new and he would’ve been the first person to admit it.

      But he was the first one to put it to the fore-front of modern UFO research memes. Some folks don’t like that.

  2. Nick, Greg and I haven’t given Mac a “pass” at all – indeed, none of us accept his CTH as anything even remotely close to proven… and neither did Mac. What makes Mac’s work worthwhile is that he wanted to start a discussion, and remind people (like Bragalia, who seems to constantly need reminding) that there is more to the UFO phenomenon than a died-in-the-wool acceptance (dare I call it a belief??) of the ETH as the ETfact.


    1. That’s my problem with the ‘nuts and bolts’ theory of UFOs, some folks treat it as a given ( close to a ‘religion’ ).

      I’ve read Vallee’s books, admittingly none of Lear’s and I intend on reading Mac’s ‘Cryptoterrestrials’ soon, so I’ll have a better idea on these theories to articulate more informed opinions.

      Maybe I’m reading it wrong Paul, but it does seem at times you, Greg and Nick are promoting Mac’s idea(s). Could it be that’s what Bragalia has an issue with, along with his nuts and bolts opinion?

      That’s my opinion anyway. Honestly enough, I give both theories equal chances of being valid.

      1. Hi,

        I don’t think Nick or Greg are actively promoting Mac’s theories, anymore than I am. Indeed, of all the paranormal explanations, I continue to find the ETH to be the most likely – just as I think it’s equally likely (perhaps more so) that all UFO cases could be explained with better investigation. Rather, what we’re doing (and what people like Bragalia miss) is promoting Mac’s book as a worthwhile contribution to what should be a discussion about UFOs, as opposed to the sermons from the Mount that ETHers as ETFacters like Bragalia engage in. Mac’s ideas are interesting, if for no other reason than that they challenge the ETFact orthodoxy within mainstream ufology. And that’s something Nick, Greg and I all agree on. 🙂


  3. A rose by any other name . . .

    He’s just stirring up trouble as he often does. Maybe his blog readership is down so he feels the need to start the pot boiling by giving the post a provocative title. He always ends up making himself look like a jerk when he does things like that.

    Yes, the theory deserves hard-nosed criticism, as all theories do. But it is just that . . . a theory; that doesn’t make it a lie by any definition of the word.

    By the same token, an alien crash at Roswell has never been proven and remains the biggest lie (oops, I mean theory) in Ufology.

    1. I don’t know if the nuts and bolts theory of UFOs is any better than Mac’s cryptoterrestrials, Vallee and Lear’s paranormal beings or angels and demons; what anecdotal evidence is left seems to indicate all explanations, depending on the situation or environment.

      So I don’t no if Bragalia himself is ‘lying’ anymore than he claims Mac was.

      To me, the jury is still “way” out.

  4. I’ve read everything that Bragalia has ever written and the odd thing here (to me) is that his choice of words in ‘this article’ do not sound like him. He’s not known for harsh overtones.

    The words however do sound just like words that usually spew out of the mouth of Rich Reynolds.

  5. I have read whole discussion going on there. It seems most of the points raised there are supporting Mac. Bragalia has no serious issue with that,the only issue is that he don’t like promotion of such ideaS and seriously who love to believe in aliens coming from distant yellow planet would never like to accept cryptoterrestrials from a blue planet. I can’t understand what’s problem with him. It is quite possible that life has evolved more than once. If human could go to space just in the matter of some million years then why not other species could evolve? There are another 3999 millions of year left. Dinosaur have ruled about 200 millions of years approximately then why not consider another intelligence? only because your mind is engaged in calculating number of habitable planets without knowing the emerging intelligent species other side on blue planet.

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